Dude i loved the game! I played it as a demo on furafinnity once, different name, art but same characters and story, i happy that after being cancelled the game came back, also pleaaaaase make a route for logan!
That's the one! A lot changed when we renamed it Sileo, but a lot also stayed the same. There's more content planned for Logan, so stay tuned for that!
I kinda imagined Logan and Adrian becoming friends, but i was pleasently surprised anyway that they ended up banging AND managed to be friends (with benefits too and that's one thing we ALL wanted to see lol) in those unorthodox circumstances. This part of the update felt good, sooooo good that I (like many other surely) just fell in love with Logan....
Now for Tai i don't know what to think really.... I guess i still wanna know exactly what's up with him (and spencer) and his VERY secretive life he cannot share before i make up my mind. The 'official' break up part, well.... i felt bad for Adrian, but maybe not as bad as i should... ? Idk really, i might be thinking it's not really the end (witch it isn't right ?) but something about this moment felt odd to me... it doesn't make sence but maybe i'll be clued why in the next update ?
Anyway, stunning work as always, loved every bits of this update and looking very foward to the next one where we'll FINALLY get some god damn deserved and needed answers XD
The game is beautiful. The story is interesting. Many characters make you love them. This is one of the most beautiful visual novels that I have played so far. I am looking forward to the next updates. Thank you for your hard work.🥰🏃🏽♂️🏃🏽♂️
I played through the new update last night, and I have to say, despite the fact I'm incredibly sad over the situation with Tai, I absolutely LOVED the scene with Logan.
I loved how shy he was at first, how he slowly opened up and got more comfortable, and even how he acted when he and MC had their fun... The whole thing just put a huge smile on my face.
From the moment I learned Tai was a date-able character, I was really excited, because I really liked what I saw of him in Diego's route. I just hope that the fun MC had with Logan doesn't end up biting him in the butt with Tai like what happens if Diego finds out MC had sex with Kyrex.
As a side note, regarding the situation between Tai and Spencer, I have a strong feeling I know what's going on, and part of me honestly hopes I'm wrong, but a part of me is almost positive I'm not. Though even if I'm not, I have a feeling things will sort themselves out.
That second break up was heartbreaking. Could you please consider making a flashback or showing Tai's side of the ordeal? It would be interesting to see what happens from his perspective.
There won't so much be a flashback per se, the conversation between Tai and Spencer on Day 13 provides a lot of context, and Day 16 will fill in the gaps when that releases :)
Yep, I just replied to your post. What you had was the current executable file combined with game data at LEAST 6 months old. How are you getting the game? Direct download or using the Itch App?
We've switched to differential updating via Itch which might explain what's gone wrong here. Unfortunately, it's to do with the Itch App and how it handles the updating of files. If you updated from a really old version, strange things might have happened.
This should work better for all updates since 0.26 as we now support the Itch App more officially, but if anybody else has this problem, uninstall the game completely and then redownload it fresh. All going well, this will only need to happen once.
You shouldn't have needed to delete your saves, they're stored in "%APPDATA%/RenPy/Sileo - Tales of a New Dawn" alongside the actual game directory itself and old save files should still be compatible with the 0.27a update.
If you're on Windows, try switching off your antivirus, downloading and extracting the game fresh and trying to run it with the AV off. If that works, add an exclusion and switch it back on. Some AV's (Like AVG and Avast) do not play nicely with games made in Ren'Py 7.4. We personally don't recommend AVG or Avast based on the company's history with collecting and selling user data without consent, so we recommend using products like BitDefender or Kaspersky, both of which work a-ok with Ren'Py! Failing that, Windows Defender does an okay job and also works well with Ren'Py.
I don't think checking later is going to help much. If you can provide me with some information like what platform you're playing on, any errors you receive, if you used the itch app to download the game etc, I can offer some advice. But I can't fix problems if I don't know anything about them.
it meant something to me when I said it, my bad xP, am not the only one using the comp so I end up sharing it but I think its my old saves that caused the issue, I might have clicked on the loading instead of a new game
The 0.27 version had some problems loading save games, but 0.27a should resolve that. Either way, save files shouldn't stop the game from starting unless something went really pear shaped somewhere.
You're spot on about learning more in the next update! It's gonna be a real doozy. We're putting the finishing touches on it for our Patreon right now, and we'll be dropping that update here in August!
the moment with Logan is just perfect <3 I'm excited to see more content about him, also can't wait to see your next "tales" project involving him!
SPOILERS
OOF the chat with Tai felt like the final nail in the coffin for the relationship, and as for the cliffhanger I felt nothing but bad vibes; like we are approaching a bad end of the route.
Amazing work as always! Looking forward to the next update!
Thanks! It's very much a conflicting addition to the story, but it's supposed to be. Soon enough, everything will be made clear and you'll see what we've been building towards. Hope it doesn't disappoint!
Im starting to love logan more with this update. The update is pretty WILD😉, Makes me want to have a route with Logan. We got to see another side of him and it really caught me off guard, id be willing to see a relationship with him when all the main routes are finished, though i want to see Dom and Axel's route first to experience maybe a 3 man relationship lol😆. But overall awesome update and story😁
We'll have a physical button for this in the 0.30 update, however it's a keyboard issue - the context is being passed to the keyboard to display an enter key and the keyboards we've tested (IE: SwiftKey) all work as they should. We'd suggest trying a different keyboard in the meanwhile, otherwise there'll be a button for this soon, just once we finish work on 0.30.
I was really not expecting anything that happened in this update, but that’s a surprise I will happily accept! I was actually left with a smile on my face when the Logan stuff happened…some of the things said actually reminds me of myself….also I was legitimately not expecting that at the end….really great update!🐊
I wanna play the new update so bad now but it keeps cancelling while downloading, i have enough space and good internet and it just cancels itself. I even hid it it so that no one touches my phone but it keeps cancelling halfway through the download😭
After a few hours of waiting it downloaded and gotta say the update gave me mixed feelings, dont wanna spoil some stuff but all im gonna say is that this update is WILD.😉
I've that problem before. When the download starts, remain in the download page. It worked for me before, but it can change from one case to another. Or maybe it is on your browser perhaps? I use UC Browser after all...
is tai's route done? or is it still being worked on? I love the route I am in so many emotions, not gonna say what they are to not spoil, but you have made a great VN. I can't wait to see more :D.
I just finished the Diego route and it was such a great story. I am sad that it is over but I will start a new route and read the new adventure. great VN. I wish to see more of the Diego's story and his family but thats a new chapter that I hope to see later on.
I rlly love this VN so much the characters are hot and the story is amazing.......and i was hoping tho can you pls add Russell's Route? Hes my top crush in this characters
Hiya im new here and just finished both Diego and Tai's route as of now. Gotta say i fell in love with the story and somehow some of the music tracks reminded me of another game i played recently which is tennis ace. Thoughts flooded through my mind which made me think that tennis ace and sileo somehow is connected but its just my imagination though lol (would be fun seeing the characters interact with each other). Anyways im more interested with Dom and Axel's route because i can see how messy the relationship would be and i would love to see the dynamic that would occur between the MC amd them. Suffice to say i cant wait to see the upcoming updates and if i can save up some money i can donate some but i had to figure out how to convert my money into dollars lol, the current stories for both Diego and Tai is already perfect in my opinion and i cant wait to see the completed route for Tai and the upcoming routes for Dom, Axel and Lukas.
Once we're finished with Tai's route, we expect to begin working on another. We're not yet decided on which this will be so time will tell. We expect to begin work on the next route later this year.
Oh my god I love this new update a LOT, I am in love with Logan I totally identify with him too thank you, thank you , thank you so much for the effort in bringing us this masterpiece
*Deep inhale* Okay, so.... I gotta be honest, I'm actually more disappointed with this update than anything... Not to say the overall quality of the writing isn't up to the usual quality or anything, cuz it absolutely is; no, I'm disappointed with the use of the whole "Person A says something; person B overhears part of it an misunderstands" trope, because I honestly thought this VN was above using that trope.
Obviously, I don't like that trope- like, really, really don't like it. It's only ever used as a cheep, low-effort way of bringing more drama into a story, it's literally never executed right, and even when it is executed in a decent way it's still awful to sit through because it's so overused! Further, the thing overheard is almost always something that didn't need to be said in the first place because both parties clearly already knew what was said, and it's always phrased in a way that no one would phrase it in real life for the sake of making it be easily misconstrued in-universe, and the characters involved always make the situation infinitely more complicated than it needs to be and end up making everyone involved look like assholes!
Seriously, the secret that Tai is keeping about Spencer and the fact that he used to date Spencer do not need to be mutually inclusive pieces of information; Tai is absolutely smart enough to know he could tell his boyfriend - who, by Tai's own admission, is the most important person in his life - the parts of the story that don't directly relate to Spencer's secret.
And speaking of Tai's boyfriend, this update makes MC out to be an absolute douchebag! Frankly, based on MC's behavior in this update, I'd even go so far as to say that Tai dodged a fucking bullet! There is a limit to what behavior can be justified in this situation and MC definitely crosses it; there is nothing that can be said or done that can reasonably justify or redeem MC's behavior, there just isn't.
There are better ways of doing this sort of thing than the way it's done here...
If you absolutely need to include this type of plot device, then there are better ways of handling this. My recommendations would be to:
1) extend the convo between Spencer and Tai to include more information about what's really going on, then handle it like Diego and Kyrex's convo at the end of Diego's route; that is, we - the player - don't know any more about the full convo than MC until after someone actually explains the convo to them. This would both make the convo less stilted and awkward because Spencer and Tai wouldn't be talking in super vague terms like they know someone (e.g. the player) is listening in and engage us in a similar way as the MC, making us wonder what actually happened in Tai's office.
and b) show more deliberation and hesitation in MC's actions in the days after the breakup; nothing huge, just more moments where MC stops - and I mean really stops - to wonder why he's not more heartbroken and why he's suddenly acting the way he is. Or full stop have MC's inner monologue be acknowledging of the fact that MC is basically exaggerating his horniness to such an extreme as a way to try and get over Tai faster - now thatwould really sell what I'm hoping you were actually going for. The way it's presented now, however, MC is just a huge douchebag, as mentioned before; if this is how we can expect him to act whenever there's some kind of relationship trouble in the future, I'd say Tai's better off without him.
Being able to empathize with the characters is absolutely essential to a story like this and when your main character is presented to basically turn into this massive douchelord, we lose the ability to feel sorry or empathize with them and our image of them as a person is pretty much gonna stay tarnished from then on.
Alright, since I'm pretty sure this is already my longest reaction to an update so far and it's just paragraph after paragraph of ranting, I'm gonna wrap this up here before I rile myself up again and leave off with this: up until now, I've absolutely adored this VN and it's a real shame to see it take this path when everything else has been so strong so far. It's fine if you wanna include some drama surrounding Tai and Spencer's past and all the secrecy about Spencer in general, but there are more effective ways of going about it than using such a cheep and overdone trope.
Anyways, keep at it! I'll be looking forward to the coming updates. I've always been adamant about people writing the stories they want to write, I just ask that this be considered some food for thought, as it were.
(also I'm really sorry for the huge rant; I have strong opinions and just no way of sharing them concisely...) :(
Totally agree with that, but I think it also shows that protagonist isn't as good or ideal person as everyone thinks, so it's a plus for me in some way (sorry if I didn't write it correctly)
My main issue is that MC's entire way of thinking has done a complete 180 over night; he's gone from a generally nice, moral, well meaning person to a literal sociopath in a ridiculously short amount of time. Behavior in-and-of itself is subjective and can shift radically on a whim, but the thoughts behind that behavior are another thing entirely; the way a person thinks takes time to change, and we've had a front-row seat to the way MC thinks for a route and a half by now. It'd be one thing if he was fully aware of his behavior and acknowledged it for what it is, but he isn't and doesn't, which is the crux of the - or rather, this - issue. Unless the behavior is qualified in real-time in MC's thoughts as his way of acting out and distancing himself from his feelings for Tai (e.g. "Tai clearly didn't care about me so I won't care about him" or "I'll just get with someone else and forget all about Tai"), there's no way to retroactively justify the way he's acting while in the first-person perspective.
Not even to mention the fact that we, the player, were showed the entire conversation between Tai and Spencer, which only served to justify the way Tai responds to MC's confrontation and further cementing in our heads how douchebag-ish MC is acting, as we have the full context. It would have been better to leave us in the dark about the full context of the conversation and, instead of Tai's unnecessary confession, leave the conversation off on a vague and suspicious note, something open to interpretation that could reasonably leave MC with some doubts; this, paired with the ring Tai was - by MC's perspective - suddenly waring around his neck and his blatant refusal to share any information regarding his past with Spencer, would bubble over into the situation we now find ourselves in. The way everything is executed now is just cheep and for the sake of setting up a dramatic act 2 climax, and the story pretends that there will be no way to reconcile between Tai and MC as though we didn't set out to play Tai's route in the first place; it's a series of terrible tropes that stick out like sore thumbs in an otherwise well-done story.
Consistency is key with characters in this kind of medium, and conveying a person as flawed is not the same as turning them into a manipulative sociopath when they've showed no tendencies towards such behavior before. The way MC is thinking right now completely flies in the face of almost every conversation he has with Tai in Diego's route; we have the perception of MC that we do because we've already been through an entire route in his head.
amigo aun no se acaba, es parte de la historia, pero te entiendo pues yo me siento afligido emocionalmente por esa situacion xD y peor aun que ahora Logan es incluido y ese oso polar me encanta, escoger entre él y Tai es dificil, ambos son de lo mejor :3 amo esta VN
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Dude i loved the game! I played it as a demo on furafinnity once, different name, art but same characters and story, i happy that after being cancelled the game came back, also pleaaaaase make a route for logan!
That's the one! A lot changed when we renamed it Sileo, but a lot also stayed the same. There's more content planned for Logan, so stay tuned for that!
haha will do! Great job bud, also i still have that old demo :3
I kinda imagined Logan and Adrian becoming friends, but i was pleasently surprised anyway that they ended up banging AND managed to be friends (with benefits too and that's one thing we ALL wanted to see lol) in those unorthodox circumstances. This part of the update felt good, sooooo good that I (like many other surely) just fell in love with Logan....
Now for Tai i don't know what to think really.... I guess i still wanna know exactly what's up with him (and spencer) and his VERY secretive life he cannot share before i make up my mind. The 'official' break up part, well.... i felt bad for Adrian, but maybe not as bad as i should... ? Idk really, i might be thinking it's not really the end (witch it isn't right ?) but something about this moment felt odd to me... it doesn't make sence but maybe i'll be clued why in the next update ?
Anyway, stunning work as always, loved every bits of this update and looking very foward to the next one where we'll FINALLY get some god damn deserved and needed answers XD
Have a good day!
Thanks! Answers aren't far off now!
The game is beautiful. The story is interesting. Many characters make you love them. This is one of the most beautiful visual novels that I have played so far. I am looking forward to the next updates. Thank you for your hard work.🥰🏃🏽♂️🏃🏽♂️
Thanks! <3
I played through the new update last night, and I have to say, despite the fact I'm incredibly sad over the situation with Tai, I absolutely LOVED the scene with Logan.
I loved how shy he was at first, how he slowly opened up and got more comfortable, and even how he acted when he and MC had their fun... The whole thing just put a huge smile on my face.
Glad you think so! Plenty more updates to come yet, who knows, maybe you'll find a way to work things out with Tai?
From the moment I learned Tai was a date-able character, I was really excited, because I really liked what I saw of him in Diego's route. I just hope that the fun MC had with Logan doesn't end up biting him in the butt with Tai like what happens if Diego finds out MC had sex with Kyrex.
As a side note, regarding the situation between Tai and Spencer, I have a strong feeling I know what's going on, and part of me honestly hopes I'm wrong, but a part of me is almost positive I'm not. Though even if I'm not, I have a feeling things will sort themselves out.
You'll find out for sure soon enough!
And I look forward to seeing what happens!
That second break up was heartbreaking. Could you please consider making a flashback or showing Tai's side of the ordeal? It would be interesting to see what happens from his perspective.
There won't so much be a flashback per se, the conversation between Tai and Spencer on Day 13 provides a lot of context, and Day 16 will fill in the gaps when that releases :)
Just wanted to say, i have absolutely no idea what i did but after re-installing the game and starting it 5 or 6 times, it finally worked
Yep, I just replied to your post. What you had was the current executable file combined with game data at LEAST 6 months old. How are you getting the game? Direct download or using the Itch App?
That might explain why i had to delete all my saves?
Oh and I've been using the Itch app.
We've switched to differential updating via Itch which might explain what's gone wrong here. Unfortunately, it's to do with the Itch App and how it handles the updating of files. If you updated from a really old version, strange things might have happened.
This should work better for all updates since 0.26 as we now support the Itch App more officially, but if anybody else has this problem, uninstall the game completely and then redownload it fresh. All going well, this will only need to happen once.
You shouldn't have needed to delete your saves, they're stored in "%APPDATA%/RenPy/Sileo - Tales of a New Dawn" alongside the actual game directory itself and old save files should still be compatible with the 0.27a update.
Am unable to open the vn
What platform? Do you receive any error message?
If you're on Windows, try switching off your antivirus, downloading and extracting the game fresh and trying to run it with the AV off. If that works, add an exclusion and switch it back on. Some AV's (Like AVG and Avast) do not play nicely with games made in Ren'Py 7.4. We personally don't recommend AVG or Avast based on the company's history with collecting and selling user data without consent, so we recommend using products like BitDefender or Kaspersky, both of which work a-ok with Ren'Py! Failing that, Windows Defender does an okay job and also works well with Ren'Py.
Will be checking later then
I don't think checking later is going to help much. If you can provide me with some information like what platform you're playing on, any errors you receive, if you used the itch app to download the game etc, I can offer some advice. But I can't fix problems if I don't know anything about them.
it meant something to me when I said it, my bad xP, am not the only one using the comp so I end up sharing it but I think its my old saves that caused the issue, I might have clicked on the loading instead of a new game
The 0.27 version had some problems loading save games, but 0.27a should resolve that. Either way, save files shouldn't stop the game from starting unless something went really pear shaped somewhere.
I love how after everything we've gone through with Tai, Logan is the dude a lot of us ended up falling for.
Maybe now people will stop asking 'logan route when' :D
There's plenty more great stuff to come though, both for Logan AND for Tai. Stay tuned!
You're spot on about learning more in the next update! It's gonna be a real doozy. We're putting the finishing touches on it for our Patreon right now, and we'll be dropping that update here in August!
Gotta occasionally post some of the good shit somewhere other that Patreon!
Team Tai = No
Logan & Jay & Eric = Hell yeah
Hah!
We've got plans for all 3. Stay tuned!
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Different strokes for different folks, but don't be mad at Logan. He didn't choose to be here, he just got dragged into this mess!
There's plenty more to come mind you and we've got some really neat twists and turns coming. Stay tuned!
the moment with Logan is just perfect <3 I'm excited to see more content about him, also can't wait to see your next "tales" project involving him!
SPOILERS
OOF the chat with Tai felt like the final nail in the coffin for the relationship, and as for the cliffhanger I felt nothing but bad vibes; like we are approaching a bad end of the route.
Amazing work as always! Looking forward to the next update!
Thanks! It's very much a conflicting addition to the story, but it's supposed to be. Soon enough, everything will be made clear and you'll see what we've been building towards. Hope it doesn't disappoint!
Where do I choose Logan as my husbando? :3
The content you are looking for is planned as part of the Tales from Woodcrest mode we're planning to develop after we've released 1.0 :)
I fall in love with Logan , he cute as fuck <3
Gotta love those fuzzy, shy boys.
Im starting to love logan more with this update. The update is pretty WILD😉, Makes me want to have a route with Logan. We got to see another side of him and it really caught me off guard, id be willing to see a relationship with him when all the main routes are finished, though i want to see Dom and Axel's route first to experience maybe a 3 man relationship lol😆. But overall awesome update and story😁
Time will tell!
It still doesn't let me hit enter on Android.
We'll have a physical button for this in the 0.30 update, however it's a keyboard issue - the context is being passed to the keyboard to display an enter key and the keyboards we've tested (IE: SwiftKey) all work as they should. We'd suggest trying a different keyboard in the meanwhile, otherwise there'll be a button for this soon, just once we finish work on 0.30.
I was really not expecting anything that happened in this update, but that’s a surprise I will happily accept! I was actually left with a smile on my face when the Logan stuff happened…some of the things said actually reminds me of myself….also I was legitimately not expecting that at the end….really great update!🐊
<3
hope this mystery isn't about to turn into a murder mystery lmao
It's gonna get wild, but not THAT wild!
I mean, you say that like it's not already pretty wild, and like we don't have enough clues to know what's coming
Omg this update sure make me having a mixed feelings
All according to plan! More good content to come :)
I wanna play the new update so bad now but it keeps cancelling while downloading, i have enough space and good internet and it just cancels itself. I even hid it it so that no one touches my phone but it keeps cancelling halfway through the download😭
:'( Maybe try again at another time? Maybe the Itch download servers are a bit overloaded right now
After a few hours of waiting it downloaded and gotta say the update gave me mixed feelings, dont wanna spoil some stuff but all im gonna say is that this update is WILD.😉
The good old sad boner!
I've that problem before. When the download starts, remain in the download page. It worked for me before, but it can change from one case to another. Or maybe it is on your browser perhaps? I use UC Browser after all...
I've had*
Oh, and sorry for the intrusion.
stalks again*
Psst. Hey.
Builds are up.
Thanks!🐊
stalks*
i like this game
<3
What race do we play as?
a husky, if I remember right
Correct, the protagonist is a Husky.
when is tai's next update
Tomorrow. 2nd of the month every month!
is tai's route done? or is it still being worked on? I love the route I am in so many emotions, not gonna say what they are to not spoil, but you have made a great VN. I can't wait to see more :D.
Still plenty more to come ❤️
yay! <3
I just finished the Diego route and it was such a great story. I am sad that it is over but I will start a new route and read the new adventure. great VN. I wish to see more of the Diego's story and his family but thats a new chapter that I hope to see later on.
<3
I rlly love this VN so much the characters are hot and the story is amazing.......and i was hoping tho can you pls add Russell's Route? Hes my top crush in this characters
Everybody will get something eventually if we have any say in it, we've got some commitments to tend to first however!
Just for asking,are you going to make other routes like Logan after the main four routes finished?I love this game and I want to see more.
We're hoping to! We've got lots of smaller routes planned for post 1.0 featuring all kinds of different characters!
That's what I want,thank you!
Hiya im new here and just finished both Diego and Tai's route as of now. Gotta say i fell in love with the story and somehow some of the music tracks reminded me of another game i played recently which is tennis ace. Thoughts flooded through my mind which made me think that tennis ace and sileo somehow is connected but its just my imagination though lol (would be fun seeing the characters interact with each other). Anyways im more interested with Dom and Axel's route because i can see how messy the relationship would be and i would love to see the dynamic that would occur between the MC amd them. Suffice to say i cant wait to see the upcoming updates and if i can save up some money i can donate some but i had to figure out how to convert my money into dollars lol, the current stories for both Diego and Tai is already perfect in my opinion and i cant wait to see the completed route for Tai and the upcoming routes for Dom, Axel and Lukas.
Thanks! Plenty more to come, hopefully we can keep that bar of quality high!
love the game absolutely stunning
i must ask is tais story finished?
Nope, not yet!
I love diego route but it end too early . Will there be more?
Love your game btw :)
Diego's route is finished, but we do have plans to develop new content for him at a later stage!
Dom/Axel route will be the mess because they crush each other ;)))
A glorious mess for sure!
I hope we do Lukas's route next I wood to see that after Tai's route!
We've got some cool stuff planned for Lukas! Stay tuned!
Nice Thank you!
I honestly can't put my feelings into words just doing Diego's route I loved it the art is especially amazing. I love it. Keep it up!
<3
When is the Dom/Axel path available?
Once we're finished with Tai's route, we expect to begin working on another. We're not yet decided on which this will be so time will tell. We expect to begin work on the next route later this year.
shark
indeed
shork
Oh my god I love this new update a LOT, I am in love with Logan I totally identify with him too thank you, thank you , thank you so much for the effort in bringing us this masterpiece
<3
[SOILERS AHEAD - READ AT YOUR OWN RISK]
*Deep inhale* Okay, so.... I gotta be honest, I'm actually more disappointed with this update than anything... Not to say the overall quality of the writing isn't up to the usual quality or anything, cuz it absolutely is; no, I'm disappointed with the use of the whole "Person A says something; person B overhears part of it an misunderstands" trope, because I honestly thought this VN was above using that trope.
Obviously, I don't like that trope- like, really, really don't like it. It's only ever used as a cheep, low-effort way of bringing more drama into a story, it's literally never executed right, and even when it is executed in a decent way it's still awful to sit through because it's so overused! Further, the thing overheard is almost always something that didn't need to be said in the first place because both parties clearly already knew what was said, and it's always phrased in a way that no one would phrase it in real life for the sake of making it be easily misconstrued in-universe, and the characters involved always make the situation infinitely more complicated than it needs to be and end up making everyone involved look like assholes!
Seriously, the secret that Tai is keeping about Spencer and the fact that he used to date Spencer do not need to be mutually inclusive pieces of information; Tai is absolutely smart enough to know he could tell his boyfriend - who, by Tai's own admission, is the most important person in his life - the parts of the story that don't directly relate to Spencer's secret.
And speaking of Tai's boyfriend, this update makes MC out to be an absolute douchebag! Frankly, based on MC's behavior in this update, I'd even go so far as to say that Tai dodged a fucking bullet! There is a limit to what behavior can be justified in this situation and MC definitely crosses it; there is nothing that can be said or done that can reasonably justify or redeem MC's behavior, there just isn't.
There are better ways of doing this sort of thing than the way it's done here...
If you absolutely need to include this type of plot device, then there are better ways of handling this. My recommendations would be to:
1) extend the convo between Spencer and Tai to include more information about what's really going on, then handle it like Diego and Kyrex's convo at the end of Diego's route; that is, we - the player - don't know any more about the full convo than MC until after someone actually explains the convo to them. This would both make the convo less stilted and awkward because Spencer and Tai wouldn't be talking in super vague terms like they know someone (e.g. the player) is listening in and engage us in a similar way as the MC, making us wonder what actually happened in Tai's office.
and b) show more deliberation and hesitation in MC's actions in the days after the breakup; nothing huge, just more moments where MC stops - and I mean really stops - to wonder why he's not more heartbroken and why he's suddenly acting the way he is. Or full stop have MC's inner monologue be acknowledging of the fact that MC is basically exaggerating his horniness to such an extreme as a way to try and get over Tai faster - now that would really sell what I'm hoping you were actually going for. The way it's presented now, however, MC is just a huge douchebag, as mentioned before; if this is how we can expect him to act whenever there's some kind of relationship trouble in the future, I'd say Tai's better off without him.
Being able to empathize with the characters is absolutely essential to a story like this and when your main character is presented to basically turn into this massive douchelord, we lose the ability to feel sorry or empathize with them and our image of them as a person is pretty much gonna stay tarnished from then on.
Alright, since I'm pretty sure this is already my longest reaction to an update so far and it's just paragraph after paragraph of ranting, I'm gonna wrap this up here before I rile myself up again and leave off with this: up until now, I've absolutely adored this VN and it's a real shame to see it take this path when everything else has been so strong so far. It's fine if you wanna include some drama surrounding Tai and Spencer's past and all the secrecy about Spencer in general, but there are more effective ways of going about it than using such a cheep and overdone trope.
Anyways, keep at it! I'll be looking forward to the coming updates. I've always been adamant about people writing the stories they want to write, I just ask that this be considered some food for thought, as it were.
(also I'm really sorry for the huge rant; I have strong opinions and just no way of sharing them concisely...):(Thisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthis
Totally agree with that, but I think it also shows that protagonist isn't as good or ideal person as everyone thinks, so it's a plus for me in some way (sorry if I didn't write it correctly)
My main issue is that MC's entire way of thinking has done a complete 180 over night; he's gone from a generally nice, moral, well meaning person to a literal sociopath in a ridiculously short amount of time. Behavior in-and-of itself is subjective and can shift radically on a whim, but the thoughts behind that behavior are another thing entirely; the way a person thinks takes time to change, and we've had a front-row seat to the way MC thinks for a route and a half by now. It'd be one thing if he was fully aware of his behavior and acknowledged it for what it is, but he isn't and doesn't, which is the crux of the - or rather, this - issue. Unless the behavior is qualified in real-time in MC's thoughts as his way of acting out and distancing himself from his feelings for Tai (e.g. "Tai clearly didn't care about me so I won't care about him" or "I'll just get with someone else and forget all about Tai"), there's no way to retroactively justify the way he's acting while in the first-person perspective.
Not even to mention the fact that we, the player, were showed the entire conversation between Tai and Spencer, which only served to justify the way Tai responds to MC's confrontation and further cementing in our heads how douchebag-ish MC is acting, as we have the full context. It would have been better to leave us in the dark about the full context of the conversation and, instead of Tai's unnecessary confession, leave the conversation off on a vague and suspicious note, something open to interpretation that could reasonably leave MC with some doubts; this, paired with the ring Tai was - by MC's perspective - suddenly waring around his neck and his blatant refusal to share any information regarding his past with Spencer, would bubble over into the situation we now find ourselves in. The way everything is executed now is just cheep and for the sake of setting up a dramatic act 2 climax, and the story pretends that there will be no way to reconcile between Tai and MC as though we didn't set out to play Tai's route in the first place; it's a series of terrible tropes that stick out like sore thumbs in an otherwise well-done story.
Consistency is key with characters in this kind of medium, and conveying a person as flawed is not the same as turning them into a manipulative sociopath when they've showed no tendencies towards such behavior before. The way MC is thinking right now completely flies in the face of almost every conversation he has with Tai in Diego's route; we have the perception of MC that we do because we've already been through an entire route in his head.
😡no puedo creer que asi haya terminado la ruta de TAI que desepcion 🥺
I don't understan isekai :/
Aún no ha terminado. Se avecinan cinco días más.
(Thanks Google Translate)
amigo aun no se acaba, es parte de la historia, pero te entiendo pues yo me siento afligido emocionalmente por esa situacion xD y peor aun que ahora Logan es incluido y ese oso polar me encanta, escoger entre él y Tai es dificil, ambos son de lo mejor :3 amo esta VN
Alright question about Tai's route
spoilers for those who haven't gotten there yet
So like is Logan gonna have like a sort of secret split off path from Tai's route or is it gonna be just something platonic between Logan and the MC?
Answering that question would be spoilers! You'll find out where this is going in the coming months.
Alright thanks for responding anyways! I look forward to seeing whats next!